‘when wisdom spews forth from a fools mouth’

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A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students…..

“Let me explain the problem science has with religion.” The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

“You’re a Christian, aren’t you, son?”
“Yes sir,” the student says.
“So you believe in God?”
“Absolutely.”
“Is God good?”
“Sure! God’s good.”
“Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?”
“Yes.”
“Are you good or evil?”
“The Bible says I’m evil.”

The professor grins knowingly. “Aha! The Bible!”

He considers for a moment.
“Here’s one for you. Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?”

“Yes sir, I would.”
“So you’re good…!”
“I wouldn’t say that.”
“But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn’t.”

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. “He doesn’t, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?”

The student remains silent.
“No, you can’t, can you?” the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
“Let’s start again, young fellow. Is God good?”

“Er…yes,” the student says.
“Is Satan good?”
The student doesn’t hesitate on this one. “No.”
“Then where does Satan come from?”
The student falters. “From God”
“That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he?

Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?”
“Yes, sir.”
“Evil’s everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything, correct?”
“Yes.”
“So who created evil?” The professor continued, “If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.”

Again, the student has no answer. “Is there sickness? Immorality?
Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?”
The student squirms on his feet. “Yes.”
“So who created them?”
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question.
“Who created them?” There is still no answer.

Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. “Tell me,” he continues unto another student. “Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?”

The student’s voice betrays him and cracks. “Yes, professor, I do.”
The old man stops pacing. “Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?”

“No sir. I’ve never seen Him.”
“Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?”
“No, sir, I have not.”
“Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?”
“No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.”
“Yet you still believe in him?”
“Yes.”
“According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?”
“Nothing,” the student replies. “I only have my faith.”
“Yes, faith,” the professor repeats. “And that is the problem science has
with God. There is no evidence, only faith.”

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own.

“Professor, is there such thing as heat?”
“Yes,” the professor replies. “There’s heat.”
“And is there such a thing as cold?”
“Yes, son, there’s cold too.”
“No sir, there isn’t.”

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room
suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

“You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don’t have anything called ‘cold’. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.”

“Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of
it.”

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

“What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?”
“Yes,” the professor replies without hesitation. “What is night if it isn’t
darkness?”

“You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called
darkness, isn’t it? That’s the meaning we use to define the word.”

“In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?”

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. “So what point are you making, young man?”

“Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start
with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.”

The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time. “Flawed? Can you explain how?”

“You are working on the premise of duality,” the student explains.
“You argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought.”
“It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully
understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be
ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.”

“Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?”

“If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.”

“Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?”

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

“Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?”

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

“To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.”

The student looks around the room. “Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?” The class breaks out into laughter.

“Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the
professor’s brain, touched or smelt the professor’s brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.”

“So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?”

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face
unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. “I guess you’ll have to take them on faith.”

“Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,”
the student continues. “Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?”

Now uncertain, the professor responds, “Of course, there is. We see it
everyday. It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in
the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil.”

To this the student replied, “Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart.
It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that
comes when there is no light.”

The professor sat down.

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I am pretty sure most of the readers have run across this story prior to this post. Some credence has been given to the fact that the student was Albert Einstein. I cannot attest to the validity of this or even if this is a true story, but this is not an uncommon occurrence in colleges all across America… the professor attempting to belittle the believer and to make them to feel that their faith in God is a weak and feeble thought process.

In the first epistle to the believers at Corinth, the Spirit of God warned us that the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness. So when we see those who are wise in their own intellect, thrashing the  Christian as in the above story, it is to be expected. The believer should not find it strange if the world hates them for the Spirit of God is enmity with the world and its philosophy.So what the Christian must admit is that we are a fool, at least in the eyes of the world.

But what is important is not the world’s view but God’s. You see the foolishness of God is wiser than men and the weakness of God stronger than men. Therefore God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.

The thought process of the professor stumbled at two very important points. The first is why does God allow bad things to happen and secondly is the reality of the devil.

The first cannot be comprehended until one trust Christ and is the recipient of the same Spirit that quickened Him from the dead. Then we can lay hold to the truth that all things do work together for good, to them that love God, to them that are the called according to His purpose. But it is the later that keeps one’s mind dead in trespasses and sin and under the spiritual bondage of that wicked one for the day of evil . 

If God is good and omniscient, how and why would He create Satan?

The word of God tells us that “the Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil”. Proverbs 16:4

There is mercy in Christ my friend. Why not put your trust in Him instead of your own human intellect. There is no shame in being a fool for Christ!

For the believer that is in the midst of this secular philosophy, a word of encouragement…

“Be not conformed to this world but be ye transformed, by the renewing of your mind” Stand upon His word; it is a sure foundation!

malachi

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6 Comments

  1. Interesting post. I’ve seen that story before and believe it typifies the attitudes of many today. The arrogance and double standards of today’s secularists are quite incredible.

    The question of Satan is interesting. We know God created the universe. But wasn’t Satan around before the universe? The Bible does not seem to go into a lot of detail about what went on before the creation of the universe. Do we know that God created Satan? Do we know exactly where he or his rebelliousness came from?

    “When tempted, no one should say, ‘God is tempting me.’ For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.” (James 1:13-15)

    The angels are supposed to be servants of God, obligated to obey the Word (Psalm 103:20-21; Hebrews 1:14). It seems that they are not automations who are unable to rebel, since Satan and a third of them did just that.

    In my view (I could be wrong) we should not be too quick to agree that God created Satan or created evil, for the simple reason that scripture does not clearly tell us that, and we would be straying from the Word in saying it. What if it is not true and unbelievers take it and use it in their arguements?

    God be with you.

    • Greetings Andy. Thank you for not only stopping by ’A Word From Malachi’ but also taking the liberty of sharing in the post. You are correct about the “arrogance and double standards of today’s secularists are quite incredible”. They have filled not only the secondary systems of education all across America, but the primary as well and while they espouse this seeming ‘separation of church and state’, they systematically propagate their own secular / humanistic religion.

      Andy for all the considerations that you have posted, we can only find their answers in the Word of God. I have attached an excellent study tool that will answer a lot of the questions concerning the creation both of the visible and invisible aspect of creation.
      http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/larkin/dt/00toc.cfm#chaps

      We know God created the universe but much more. In the epistle to the Colossians the scripture tells us this about Christ…

      Colossians 1:15-16
      Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

      So we understand from this that Satan was around before the restoration of the earth (Genesis 1) and was created by God. His (Satan’s) purpose is clearly defined from our first record of him in the Garden of Eden… opposing and thwarting God’s word.

      Herein lies the struggle of human intellect. If God is omniscient and knows everything why would God allow him access to the Garden of Eden to deceive humanity, thereby condemning man under the curse of sin? And a greater issue is if Satan was not corrupt at his inception did God not know he would one day rebel? Yes He did and thereby the power of Proverbs 16:4 “the Lord has created everything for Himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.”

      I have found that there is many references scattered throughout the O.T. that shed light on things that existed before the foundation of the earth. For example: the condition that we find the earth in Genesis 1:1 does not appear what God originally created if we consider Isaiah 45:18. One can only speculate as to what could have occurred that would have left the earth in such a chaotic condition. Could the earth have been inhabited prior to what God has told us in His word- Genesis 1? Does that mean that it was once inhabited and then completely destroyed? Would God bring such judgment upon the world?

      God’s word has given us additional evidence that we believe to be the ultimate rebellion of Satan. With regard to his creation Ezekiel 28:11-19 In analogy the prophet seems as though his prophecy is directed toward the King of Tyre, but as he gets in to the prophecy, we find he is speaking of a cherub (a spiritual being). From this we find that Satan was a beautiful spiritual being and chief among the spiritual realm, and was perfect in his ways until iniquity (rebellion) was found in him.

      Isaiah 14:12-16 Again the prophet seems to be pronouncing the coming judgment against the King of Babylon, that eventually came to fruition, yet he transgresses to Lucifer, son of the morning (Satan). As was the judgment in the first case so shall the later. But in this we see that Satan’s ultimate rebellion was that he was not satisfied with being the chief cherub and second only to God in the spiritual realm but that he wanted to be like the most High. God shall give him a throne for but a season for God has authorized him to be the ‘god of this age’ and he will sit on his throne until his pending judgment.

      “When tempted, no one should say, ‘God is tempting me.’ For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.” (James 1:13-15)

      You are correct, or the scripture we should say. God does not tempt man with evil. But man has the free will (choice) to be obedient to the word of God, or to fall to the lust of the flesh to which we see that same ability to choose in the spiritual realm. Not only did Satan choose to rebel, but it seems that the scripture teaches that 1/3 of the angelic realm has chosen to follow in the same.

      Andy I would that you would prayerfully consider the text from Colossians. And remember the wickedness whether visible or invisible does not take God by surprise. He is redeeming lost souls in spite of and just for the recorded; “unbelievers are using it in their arguments?” Here the argument of the professor!

      Peace my friend and stop back in anytime.
      malachi

      • I have looked at the link and it is fascinating. I love diagrams and anything written by someone who loves Jesus. I just read a few of the pages but will have to return to it.

        I will give prayerful consideration to the passage in Colossians. In spite of what has been said on the subject I remain unconvinced that we know for sure the origin of the evil one. I hesitate to say too much because someone may have found out, the Bible may in fact say it and I just don’t realize it. Couldn’t “all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers” refer to the universe, the creation of God? If so, wouldn’t it beg the question of whether Satan was created by God? As it is written about Christ, “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.” (Jn 1:3) Christ preceeded creation. Maybe someone else did too.

        Most of the Bible is very straight-forward. Some parts of it are difficult and unclear because their meaning has yet to be fully revealed to us. We should be bold and uncompromising with everyone about the former. We should be cautious and humble with each other about the latter. In my view the danger is great of over-interpreting scripture passages where God has given us a glimpse of the truth and the opportunity for insight by the Holy Spirit but has not clearly told us that truth. For example, I doubt few if any Jews at the time correctly interpreted Malachi 3:1 and 4:5,6, a prophecy which was in their future but is in our past and whose meaning was revealed as stated in Luke 1:13-17 and Matthew 17:10-13. Both those who applied a literal interpretation and those who applied a sort of ‘spiritualizing’ interpretation would have been mistaken. God wanted to hide from the Jews of that time what He was going to do, but He wants us to understand what He did. God has something in mind with every word of His Word. Where our understanding is lacking, we must humbly acknowledge as much to God and each other and seek to increase it through study and prayer.

        I could very easily be wrong (as I have been plenty of times in the past). I have to admit the creation reference in Ezekiel 28:13 gives me pause. I agree that Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 refer to Satan and substantially agree with your take on those passages.

        The Lord be with you.

      • Yes Andy, it is a fascinating work. Not sure if you read the forward on ‘Dispensational Truth’ but Larkin was a mechanical engineer and architect when he was converted to Christ. The ability to put his love of God’s word into diagram is truly a work of the Spirit. Larkin has a number of works and each shall carry the believer through deep spiritual water.

        With regard to ‘the evil one’ one can only give credence to this fact…. Yahweh is THE ONLY TRUE AND LIVING GOD, there is no other, nor none to compare. Like the angel in Revelation 10:6… we can lift up our hand to heaven, and sware by Him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven and the things that therein are, and the earth and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein…

        Couldn’t “all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers” refer to the universe, the creation of God? If so, wouldn’t it beg the question of whether Satan was created by God? As it is written about Christ, “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.” (Jn 1:3) Christ preceeded creation. Maybe someone else did too.

        To give credit to another creator of any sort would be to give credence to another God but He said unto Isaiah 44:6 & 8…

        “I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no other God” “Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.”

        Rest assured Andy, if there were another He would know it.

        I can concur, we have all have thought that we understood portions of God’s word only to come back later with a different take. I liken this to the growing or sanctification process that Christ spoke of in John 17, but for those areas where God’s word is straightforward we should unabashedly stand upon it. The good news Andy, is God understands our heart and if we commit to knowing His word, He will give understanding.

        Peace my friend- email anytime for further discussion.
        malachi

  2. Hi Brother Malachi, I have heard of that story before and I enjoyed your commentary on it. On that same premise, a lie is the peversion of truth. Each day we have a choice of whom to follow – truth or a lie. Darkness hates the light therefore it covers it with a lie. The only Truth and Light is Jesus Christ.

    We are living in a time when truth has been exchanged for a lie. Paul tells us in Romans, Chapter 1, that God has turned men over to their depreaved minds. Although they know God’s commands they not only continue to do evil, but also approve of those who do the same!! It is appalling how excuses are given to cover sin as people conform to the world’s standards.

    The really sad thing is that people are perishing everywhere as the wide road to destruction gets wider!

    • Yes Marianne –truth or a lie… -light or darkness. It is pretty apparent that we have a generation of children that are being groomed by professors of darkness. This perversion of truth is given a place of preeminence and at the primary level of education the light is completely suppressed. Is there any wonder that we see a complete moral collapse of our school systems? Man is grasping for any and every trick of human intellect to try to turn the system around and bring forth more productive students. It reminds me of the words of the Psalmist…

      Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain. It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: for so he giveth his beloved sleep. Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

      We are trying to build a house while completely leaving God out of it. The watchman is walking and looking yet the enemies of darkness are corrupting our youth and the watchman seemingly does not even know it is taking place. The heritage that the Lord has entrusted to us is drying up on the spiritual vine and we stand back with our hands raised wondering why?

      This broad road to destruction is paved with the error of human intellect and spiritual deception that has our society in spiritual bondage. I would to God that He would raise up a remnant that would have the courage to stand as the young man in the story, and in the face of adversity and opposition this remnant would stand upon the firm foundation of God’s word.

      Peace sister
      malachi


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