‘no God….. no heaven’

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Pope Francis assures atheists: You don’t have to believe in God to go to heaven

Repost from The Independent.co.uk  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-dont-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

In comments likely to enhance his progressive reputation, Pope Francis has written a long, open letter to the founder of La Repubblica newspaper, Eugenio Scalfari, stating that non-believers would be forgiven by God if they followed their consciences.

Responding to a list of questions published in the paper by Mr Scalfari, who is not a Roman Catholic, Francis wrote: “You ask me if the God of the Christians forgives those who don’t believe and who don’t seek the faith. I start by saying – and this is the fundamental thing – that God’s mercy has no limits if you go to him with a sincere and contrite heart. The issue for those who do not believe in God is to obey their conscience.

“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.”

Robert Mickens, the Vatican correspondent for the Catholic journal The Tablet, said the pontiff’s comments were further evidence of his attempts to shake off the Catholic Church’s fusty image, reinforced by his extremely conservative predecessor Benedict XVI. “Francis is a still a conservative,” said Mr Mickens. “But what this is all about is him seeking to have a more meaningful dialogue with the world.”

In a welcoming response to the letter, Mr Scalfari said the Pope’s comments were “further evidence of his ability and desire to overcome barriers in dialogue with all”.

In July, Francis signalled a more progressive attitude on sexuality, asking: “If someone is gay and is looking for the Lord, who am I to judge him?”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-dont-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html


Could we liken this nonsense to the following spiritual rhetoric…

You can be a faithful participant in good standing with the Catholic Church without believing in the Pope?


Jhn 12:42

Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

Jhn 12:43

For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Jhn 12:44

Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

Jhn 12:45

And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

Jhn 12:46

I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Jhn 12:47

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Jhn 12:48

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Scripture – blue letter bible.org

 

A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. So it is senseless to pay tuition to educate a fool who has no heart for wisdom.

The fool hath said in his heart there is NO God

brother malachi

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2 Comments

  1. Except that isn’t actually what he said. The secular news media have taken his comments out of context and twisted their meaning. Here’s a brief but revealing analysis:

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/did-pope-francis-say-atheists-dont-need-to-believe-in-god-to-be-saved-9-thi/

    • Thank you Joseph for stopping by ‘a word from malachi’ and not only reading one of the post but more importantly, taking the initiative to comment on ‘no God….. no heaven’.

      I also appreciate you including the link from National Catholic Register – Jimmy Akin’s article and have read through the entire article a number of times before considering further dialogue.

      The Independent article is where I first ran across the comments from the Pope and fully understanding the tendencies of the press to disperse misinformation, I have given careful consideration to Jimmy Akin’s article and comments.

      According to Mr. Akin, the Pope, in responding to the atheist, was attempting to engage in a “cordial and constructive dialogue”. There is nothing wrong with cordial and constructive dialogue with atheist, but it is important to understand that the ONLY thing that will thwart spiritual error is truth. Eloquent speech has no power in dealing with spiritual ignorance, unless one is only interested in making the individual that is spiritually ignorant a religious participant in the same. That is the reason the Apostle Paul, when sent to Corinth, said he came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom. Paul’s cordial dialogue was not with enticing word of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit of power.

      When one attempts to propagates the truth of the gospel, we often muddy the spiritual water as we endeavor not to offend. Sometimes the truth offends, even when spoken in love and grace. All the Spirit of power is looking for from those speaking for The Christ is TRUTH. He will take that truth and reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment. When one is conversing with an atheist concerning God’s Salvation, it is not “general points” that are needed, rather unabashed truth…

      “the fool hath said in his/her heart there is no god”.

      Absence of SIN
      Here is the passage: Italian newspaper La Repubblica

      First of all, you ask if the God of the Christians forgives those who do not believe and do not seek faith.

      Given that—and this is fundamental—God’s mercy has no limits if he who asks for mercy does so in contrition and with a sincere heart, the issue for those who do not believe in God is in obeying their own conscience.

      In fact, listening and obeying it, means deciding about what is perceived to be good or to be evil.

      The goodness or the wickedness of our behavior depends on this decision.

      The Pope is correct that “God’s mercy has no limits”, but he has neglected to point out the driving force that leads the individual to cry out in deep contrition for such mercy. It’s not a sincere heart or even obedience to one’s conscience, although they may be akin (no pun intended), but the illumination from that Spirit of power, mentioned above, that reveals we are dead in our trespasses and SIN.

      I have never known a healthy individual that has chosen of his/her own accord, to go to the hospital to engage in a radical program of radiation or chemotherapy, but if that same individual has been diagnosed by a reputable oncologist that they have within their body a fatal condition of cancer, quite a different situation.

      What can happen is that the same individual previously mentioned, can go to church with some regularity, and when they die, still be found in their trespasses and sin: consider the religious folk of Christ’s day. When it comes to salvation, there is no power in the church or religion, ONLY CHRIST and the remission of our SIN.

      Obedience to the conscience and heart

      The Popes statement “Listening to one’s conscience and obeying it, means deciding about what is perceived to be good or to be evil”.

      The Word of God says… “Every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But strong meat blongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil”. Hebrews 5:13-14

      This could be where Mr. Younts protest… “The Pope declares Man can save himself.”
      The conscience and heart can deceive or mislead an individual; it does not matter if he/she is a believer or unbeliever. There is a way that seemeth right to a man, but the end thereof is death. Considering radical Islam, homosexuality, abortion, etc… it is possible to have an absolute conviction that what one is engaged in is right, yet under the scrutiny of God’s word (TRUTH) is completely wrong.

      The killing of innocent babies while in their mother’s womb is an excellent example. Those that are actually killing the babies are no guiltier than the government and societies laws that condone such. I am sure that all the players in this holocaust on the unborn will tell you that they have strong convictions that a woman has the right to choose whether to abort the child, and never consider it as murder. Quite a contrast when measured by TRUTH- God’s word.

      What has the Magisterium already said on the subject of atheists and salvation?

      In Lumen Gentium 16, the Second Vatican Council addressed the subject of “those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life.”

      Joseph I think this is the crux of the matter, at least for me. Whenever we find a religious Magisterium, we generally find a religious spirit that gives preeminence to religious doctrine rather than to the clear teaching of God’s word. We can see this spiritual parallel in Matthew 15… “why do ye transgress the commandment of God by your traditions”…. evidence of the ‘religious flesh’.
      The ultimate goal of the religion is to take its constituents, and through rules regulation and religious rites, fashion them into acceptable products of the same religious society. I am not condemning the fruits of a moral and law abiding society, but to make someone morally responsible and honest that has never come to Christ because of their SIN are both men and women most miserable.

      I would like to make it clear Joseph, this is not an attack against the Catholic Church but religion. This same spiritual phenomenon has taken place in protestant denomination all across America.

      One might think this is an attack against Christianity but it is not. It is religion that is in the spiritual cross-hairs so to speak. I have found that Religion is as much the enemy of God as the atheist. After all it opposed the Christ at every turn.

      The purpose of ‘a word from malachi’ is to check this religious spirit and thwart it with truth.

      There is peace in Yeshua
      brother malachi


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